[DLC] Job Seeking

[Josh]

Why do people let Chilinux guy talk so much shit to them.....he has been on
this list for like 3 months.  Jesus, when he is acting like a dick...just
tell him.

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Tim Gebhardt <tim at gebhardtcomputing.com>
wrote:

> Dusten (and everyone I guess),
>
> Don't shrug off the fact that you don't know the 'libraries exclusive to
> java".  If you haven't spent any time in the arena of a particular
> environment you probably don't "know" it.
>
> Any programmer worth his or her salt can easily pick up how to do stuff in
> their known languages in an hour or so ("How do I take a substring of this
> string?" "How do I instantiate a new instance of this type of object?").
> Actually "know"ing a language requires 2 things: knowing the important
> libraries and knowing the culture of how people get stuff done in the
> language.
>
> Here's a great example: Nobody uses constructors in Java anymore. Huh!??!
> This may be a little broad, but it's pretty much true.  Most libraries use
> factory methods that return interfaces because this is much easier to mock
> in order to make decent unit tests.
>
> And those libraries you kind of shrug off ARE part of the language in
> certain circles.  If you've done scientific Python programming and are
> applying for a Ruby on Rails job you can tell yourself "Well Ruby's kinda
> similar to Python (and it is), so that Rails thing should be pretty easy to
> pick up."  But in fact it's the Ruby that would be easier to pick up to an
> outsider, and an employer would be much happier if you knew Rails, or if you
> had some Python experience with Django or Pylons or another similar web
> framework.  Get what I'm saying?  The language isn't as important as
> understanding how to get stuff done.  That mostly comes with experience.
>
> -Tim Gebhardt
> tim at gebhardtcomputing.com
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Dusten Sobotta <dispraekailo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your responses everyone~
>>
>> I feel I can handle any project with C++ in a reasonable amount of time;
>> and it's been my language of choice for quite a while.  When it comes to
>> java, I can apply most of that knowledge; however it may take a bit longer
>> given that I'm not as familiar with libraries exclusive to java.  I find
>> scripting languages like php and perl to be manageable, but again it's a
>> matter of applying knowledge from C/C++ and researching project-specific
>> libraries, poking at example code, etc.
>>
>>
>> I'm primarily looking for part-time or internship work, though I wouldn't
>> be opposed to full-time C/C++ stuff either.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Sean Neilan <sean at seanneilan.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sure your right in some sense.. ;)
>>>
>>> -Sean Neilan
>>> sean at seanneilan.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 24, 2008, at 12:17 PM, "ChiLinux Guy" <chilinuxguy at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  i disagree ross.  I say toss up a FULL AND COMPLETE resume attached just
>>>> like you would applying for a job. Also, you should probably state if you're
>>>> looking for full time, part time, or contract work.
>>>>
>>>> Also, if anyone has questions for him, direct them towards him OFF LIST.
>>>>  I don't care if you want to hire him, if he knows PHP, or if he can do the
>>>> crab walk while singing yankee doodle.  If you're interested in any of those
>>>> fun facts, ask him, not all of us.  If he feels it's apporpriate to add to
>>>> his list of things, he'll do so by sending a message saying "I forgot to
>>>> mention the languages i know, etc.  here's a resume".
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