[DLC] Job Seeking

[Draggor]

Josh,

Even I fell for it, but really, nobody should even do that.  Ignore
trolls, simple as that.

~Ross

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Josh <defrainj at gmail.com> wrote:
> Why do people let Chilinux guy talk so much shit to them.....he has been on
> this list for like 3 months.  Jesus, when he is acting like a dick...just
> tell him.
>
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Tim Gebhardt <tim at gebhardtcomputing.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Dusten (and everyone I guess),
>>
>> Don't shrug off the fact that you don't know the 'libraries exclusive to
>> java".  If you haven't spent any time in the arena of a particular
>> environment you probably don't "know" it.
>>
>> Any programmer worth his or her salt can easily pick up how to do stuff in
>> their known languages in an hour or so ("How do I take a substring of this
>> string?" "How do I instantiate a new instance of this type of object?").
>> Actually "know"ing a language requires 2 things: knowing the important
>> libraries and knowing the culture of how people get stuff done in the
>> language.
>>
>> Here's a great example: Nobody uses constructors in Java anymore. Huh!??!
>> This may be a little broad, but it's pretty much true.  Most libraries use
>> factory methods that return interfaces because this is much easier to mock
>> in order to make decent unit tests.
>>
>> And those libraries you kind of shrug off ARE part of the language in
>> certain circles.  If you've done scientific Python programming and are
>> applying for a Ruby on Rails job you can tell yourself "Well Ruby's kinda
>> similar to Python (and it is), so that Rails thing should be pretty easy to
>> pick up."  But in fact it's the Ruby that would be easier to pick up to an
>> outsider, and an employer would be much happier if you knew Rails, or if you
>> had some Python experience with Django or Pylons or another similar web
>> framework.  Get what I'm saying?  The language isn't as important as
>> understanding how to get stuff done.  That mostly comes with experience.
>>
>> -Tim Gebhardt
>> tim at gebhardtcomputing.com
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Dusten Sobotta <dispraekailo at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for your responses everyone~
>>>
>>> I feel I can handle any project with C++ in a reasonable amount of time;
>>> and it's been my language of choice for quite a while.  When it comes to
>>> java, I can apply most of that knowledge; however it may take a bit longer
>>> given that I'm not as familiar with libraries exclusive to java.  I find
>>> scripting languages like php and perl to be manageable, but again it's a
>>> matter of applying knowledge from C/C++ and researching project-specific
>>> libraries, poking at example code, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm primarily looking for part-time or internship work, though I wouldn't
>>> be opposed to full-time C/C++ stuff either.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Sean Neilan <sean at seanneilan.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure your right in some sense.. ;)
>>>>
>>>> -Sean Neilan
>>>> sean at seanneilan.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 24, 2008, at 12:17 PM, "ChiLinux Guy" <chilinuxguy at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i disagree ross.  I say toss up a FULL AND COMPLETE resume attached
>>>>> just like you would applying for a job. Also, you should probably state if
>>>>> you're looking for full time, part time, or contract work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, if anyone has questions for him, direct them towards him OFF
>>>>> LIST.  I don't care if you want to hire him, if he knows PHP, or if he can
>>>>> do the crab walk while singing yankee doodle.  If you're interested in any
>>>>> of those fun facts, ask him, not all of us.  If he feels it's apporpriate to
>>>>> add to his list of things, he'll do so by sending a message saying "I forgot
>>>>> to mention the languages i know, etc.  here's a resume".
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