[DLC] Job Seeking

[Sean Neilan]

Ross, I think you're right. I'm going to ignore him too.

Am I troll though? Sometimes, I've said things on this list that I  
regret.

-Sean Neilan
sean at seanneilan.com


On Jun 24, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Draggor <draggor at gmail.com> wrote:

> Josh,
>
> Even I fell for it, but really, nobody should even do that.  Ignore
> trolls, simple as that.
>
> ~Ross
>
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Josh <defrainj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why do people let Chilinux guy talk so much shit to them.....he has  
>> been on
>> this list for like 3 months.  Jesus, when he is acting like a  
>> dick...just
>> tell him.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Tim Gebhardt <tim at gebhardtcomputing.com 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dusten (and everyone I guess),
>>>
>>> Don't shrug off the fact that you don't know the 'libraries  
>>> exclusive to
>>> java".  If you haven't spent any time in the arena of a particular
>>> environment you probably don't "know" it.
>>>
>>> Any programmer worth his or her salt can easily pick up how to do  
>>> stuff in
>>> their known languages in an hour or so ("How do I take a substring  
>>> of this
>>> string?" "How do I instantiate a new instance of this type of  
>>> object?").
>>> Actually "know"ing a language requires 2 things: knowing the  
>>> important
>>> libraries and knowing the culture of how people get stuff done in  
>>> the
>>> language.
>>>
>>> Here's a great example: Nobody uses constructors in Java anymore.  
>>> Huh!??!
>>> This may be a little broad, but it's pretty much true.  Most  
>>> libraries use
>>> factory methods that return interfaces because this is much easier  
>>> to mock
>>> in order to make decent unit tests.
>>>
>>> And those libraries you kind of shrug off ARE part of the language  
>>> in
>>> certain circles.  If you've done scientific Python programming and  
>>> are
>>> applying for a Ruby on Rails job you can tell yourself "Well  
>>> Ruby's kinda
>>> similar to Python (and it is), so that Rails thing should be  
>>> pretty easy to
>>> pick up."  But in fact it's the Ruby that would be easier to pick  
>>> up to an
>>> outsider, and an employer would be much happier if you knew Rails,  
>>> or if you
>>> had some Python experience with Django or Pylons or another  
>>> similar web
>>> framework.  Get what I'm saying?  The language isn't as important as
>>> understanding how to get stuff done.  That mostly comes with  
>>> experience.
>>>
>>> -Tim Gebhardt
>>> tim at gebhardtcomputing.com
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Dusten Sobotta <dispraekailo at gmail.com 
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your responses everyone~
>>>>
>>>> I feel I can handle any project with C++ in a reasonable amount  
>>>> of time;
>>>> and it's been my language of choice for quite a while.  When it  
>>>> comes to
>>>> java, I can apply most of that knowledge; however it may take a  
>>>> bit longer
>>>> given that I'm not as familiar with libraries exclusive to java.   
>>>> I find
>>>> scripting languages like php and perl to be manageable, but again  
>>>> it's a
>>>> matter of applying knowledge from C/C++ and researching project- 
>>>> specific
>>>> libraries, poking at example code, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm primarily looking for part-time or internship work, though I  
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> be opposed to full-time C/C++ stuff either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Sean Neilan  
>>>> <sean at seanneilan.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure your right in some sense.. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> -Sean Neilan
>>>>> sean at seanneilan.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 24, 2008, at 12:17 PM, "ChiLinux Guy" <chilinuxguy at gmail.com 
>>>>> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> i disagree ross.  I say toss up a FULL AND COMPLETE resume  
>>>>>> attached
>>>>>> just like you would applying for a job. Also, you should  
>>>>>> probably state if
>>>>>> you're looking for full time, part time, or contract work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, if anyone has questions for him, direct them towards him  
>>>>>> OFF
>>>>>> LIST.  I don't care if you want to hire him, if he knows PHP,  
>>>>>> or if he can
>>>>>> do the crab walk while singing yankee doodle.  If you're  
>>>>>> interested in any
>>>>>> of those fun facts, ask him, not all of us.  If he feels it's  
>>>>>> apporpriate to
>>>>>> add to his list of things, he'll do so by sending a message  
>>>>>> saying "I forgot
>>>>>> to mention the languages i know, etc.  here's a resume".
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