[DLC] Job Seeking

Tue Jun 24 15:43:25 CDT 2008

Sean,

Think before you post, and in general you should be fine.

As for this particular thread of chatter, let's stop here, take it off
list if there's anything else to discuss, as the point of this is for
Dusten and his job seeking!  (I wish I could help ya out, Dusten!)

~Ross

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Sean Neilan <sean at seanneilan.com> wrote:
> Ross, I think you're right. I'm going to ignore him too.
>
> Am I troll though? Sometimes, I've said things on this list that I regret.
>
> -Sean Neilan
> sean at seanneilan.com
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Draggor <draggor at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>
>> Even I fell for it, but really, nobody should even do that.  Ignore
>> trolls, simple as that.
>>
>> ~Ross
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Josh <defrainj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why do people let Chilinux guy talk so much shit to them.....he has been
>>> on
>>> this list for like 3 months.  Jesus, when he is acting like a dick...just
>>> tell him.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Tim Gebhardt <tim at gebhardtcomputing.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dusten (and everyone I guess),
>>>>
>>>> Don't shrug off the fact that you don't know the 'libraries exclusive to
>>>> java".  If you haven't spent any time in the arena of a particular
>>>> environment you probably don't "know" it.
>>>>
>>>> Any programmer worth his or her salt can easily pick up how to do stuff
>>>> in
>>>> their known languages in an hour or so ("How do I take a substring of
>>>> this
>>>> string?" "How do I instantiate a new instance of this type of object?").
>>>> Actually "know"ing a language requires 2 things: knowing the important
>>>> libraries and knowing the culture of how people get stuff done in the
>>>> language.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a great example: Nobody uses constructors in Java anymore.
>>>> Huh!??!
>>>> This may be a little broad, but it's pretty much true.  Most libraries
>>>> use
>>>> factory methods that return interfaces because this is much easier to
>>>> mock
>>>> in order to make decent unit tests.
>>>>
>>>> And those libraries you kind of shrug off ARE part of the language in
>>>> certain circles.  If you've done scientific Python programming and are
>>>> applying for a Ruby on Rails job you can tell yourself "Well Ruby's
>>>> kinda
>>>> similar to Python (and it is), so that Rails thing should be pretty easy
>>>> to
>>>> pick up."  But in fact it's the Ruby that would be easier to pick up to
>>>> an
>>>> outsider, and an employer would be much happier if you knew Rails, or if
>>>> you
>>>> had some Python experience with Django or Pylons or another similar web
>>>> framework.  Get what I'm saying?  The language isn't as important as
>>>> understanding how to get stuff done.  That mostly comes with experience.
>>>>
>>>> -Tim Gebhardt
>>>> tim at gebhardtcomputing.com
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Dusten Sobotta
>>>> <dispraekailo at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your responses everyone~
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel I can handle any project with C++ in a reasonable amount of
>>>>> time;
>>>>> and it's been my language of choice for quite a while.  When it comes
>>>>> to
>>>>> java, I can apply most of that knowledge; however it may take a bit
>>>>> longer
>>>>> given that I'm not as familiar with libraries exclusive to java.  I
>>>>> find
>>>>> scripting languages like php and perl to be manageable, but again it's
>>>>> a
>>>>> matter of applying knowledge from C/C++ and researching
>>>>> project-specific
>>>>> libraries, poking at example code, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm primarily looking for part-time or internship work, though I
>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>> be opposed to full-time C/C++ stuff either.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Sean Neilan <sean at seanneilan.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure your right in some sense.. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Sean Neilan
>>>>>> sean at seanneilan.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2008, at 12:17 PM, "ChiLinux Guy" <chilinuxguy at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i disagree ross.  I say toss up a FULL AND COMPLETE resume attached
>>>>>>> just like you would applying for a job. Also, you should probably
>>>>>>> state if
>>>>>>> you're looking for full time, part time, or contract work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, if anyone has questions for him, direct them towards him OFF
>>>>>>> LIST.  I don't care if you want to hire him, if he knows PHP, or if
>>>>>>> he can
>>>>>>> do the crab walk while singing yankee doodle.  If you're interested
>>>>>>> in any
>>>>>>> of those fun facts, ask him, not all of us.  If he feels it's
>>>>>>> apporpriate to
>>>>>>> add to his list of things, he'll do so by sending a message saying "I
>>>>>>> forgot
>>>>>>> to mention the languages i know, etc.  here's a resume".
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