From joe at neoturbine.net Sun Nov 1 19:02:40 2009 From: joe at neoturbine.net (Joseph Booker) Date: Sun Nov 1 19:02:49 2009 Subject: [DLC]Future of DLC Message-ID: <20091101190240.5b4e4dee@fenrir> First off, I'd like to apologize for not being more active over this quarter, and especially for not keeping DLC relevant for the DePaul Community. I'd like to change things up for next quarter, hopefully to be more useful and get more involvement in our goal of helping the university with Linux and Free/Open Source Software in general. To that end, I intent to hold DLC meetings once a month, with the goal being some kind of event (Tech Talk or anything) being decided two weeks before the date. There is one person who seems alright with giving an introduction to command line talk (which is especially helpful for many CS classes which rely on Linux boxes) and another who will be able to give a talk on setting up a Linux-based media center. 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OMG! WTF! BBQ! Message-ID: <689a257a0911191121u3e93b166s3f8760b962a2edf5@mail.gmail.com> Yay http://googleblog.blogspot.com/ Dunno about ya'll, but, I'm installing this thing right away. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.depaul.edu/pipermail/dlc/attachments/20091119/e13a1160/attachment.htm From gtz84 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 19 12:10:25 2009 From: gtz84 at yahoo.com (gtz84@yahoo.com) Date: Thu Nov 19 14:10:28 2009 Subject: [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! In-Reply-To: <689a257a0911191121u3e93b166s3f8760b962a2edf5@mail.gmail.com> References: <689a257a0911191121u3e93b166s3f8760b962a2edf5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <963049.50861.qm@web31908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How can we get a handle of copies of Google Chrome? ________________________________ From: Sean Neilan To: DePaul Linux Community - Discuss Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 1:21:57 PM Subject: [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! Yay http://googleblog.blogspot.com/ Dunno about ya'll, but, I'm installing this thing right away. _______________________________________________ DLC mailing list DLC@mailman.depaul.edu http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! http://linux.depaul.edu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.depaul.edu/pipermail/dlc/attachments/20091119/3e6413b4/attachment.htm From sean at seanneilan.com Thu Nov 19 14:16:05 2009 From: sean at seanneilan.com (Sean Neilan) Date: Thu Nov 19 14:16:08 2009 Subject: [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! In-Reply-To: <963049.50861.qm@web31908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <689a257a0911191121u3e93b166s3f8760b962a2edf5@mail.gmail.com> <963049.50861.qm@web31908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <689a257a0911191216v151d47dbn8df812024b02253@mail.gmail.com> I think you have to build it from source here: http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/building-chromium-os You have to use at least version 8.04 of ubuntu. I'm going to try building it in on my arch linux machine and see how it goes. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:10 PM, gtz84@yahoo.com wrote: > How can we get a handle of copies of Google Chrome? > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Sean Neilan > *To:* DePaul Linux Community - Discuss > *Sent:* Thu, November 19, 2009 1:21:57 PM > *Subject:* [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! > > Yay > http://googleblog.blogspot.com/ > > Dunno about ya'll, but, I'm installing this thing right away. > > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > > > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.depaul.edu/pipermail/dlc/attachments/20091119/54c64541/attachment.htm From larry at garfieldtech.com Thu Nov 19 14:31:43 2009 From: larry at garfieldtech.com (larry@garfieldtech.com) Date: Thu Nov 19 14:31:48 2009 Subject: [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! In-Reply-To: <689a257a0911191216v151d47dbn8df812024b02253@mail.gmail.com> References: <689a257a0911191121u3e93b166s3f8760b962a2edf5@mail.gmail.com> <963049.50861.qm@web31908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <689a257a0911191216v151d47dbn8df812024b02253@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B05AB2F.2050508@garfieldtech.com> Hm. "We've gotten rid of the OS. To install, first download Ubuntu." Insert your own joke here. There's one fatal flaw in this plan, though. I DON'T put my music online. I DON'T use an online mail client. I DON'T use an online IDE. I DON'T use an online IM client. I DON'T use an online SSH client. I DON'T use an online twitter site. For all of those, a desktop client is actually superior for my needs. So, since I have not already turned over my entire existence to The Cloud(tm) (aka Google's data mining robot overlords), Chrome is useless to me. Maybe it would make an interesting netbook or something, but really, we've been hearing of the death of the desktop for what, 15 years? I didn't buy it then, and I don't buy it now. --Larry Garfield Sean Neilan wrote: > I think you have to build it from source here: > http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/building-chromium-os > > You have to use at least version 8.04 of ubuntu. I'm going to try > building it in on my arch linux machine and see how it goes. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:10 PM, gtz84@yahoo.com > > wrote: > > How can we get a handle of copies of Google Chrome? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Sean Neilan > > *To:* DePaul Linux Community - Discuss > > *Sent:* Thu, November 19, 2009 1:21:57 PM > *Subject:* [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! > > Yay > http://googleblog.blogspot.com/ > > Dunno about ya'll, but, I'm installing this thing right away. > > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > > > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ From jtk at depaul.edu Thu Nov 19 14:41:47 2009 From: jtk at depaul.edu (John Kristoff) Date: Thu Nov 19 14:41:49 2009 Subject: [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! In-Reply-To: <4B05AB2F.2050508@garfieldtech.com> References: <689a257a0911191121u3e93b166s3f8760b962a2edf5@mail.gmail.com> <963049.50861.qm@web31908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <689a257a0911191216v151d47dbn8df812024b02253@mail.gmail.com> <4B05AB2F.2050508@garfieldtech.com> Message-ID: <20091119204147.GB13155@condor.depaul.edu> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 02:31:43PM -0600, larry@garfieldtech.com wrote: > So, since I have not already turned over my entire existence to The > Cloud(tm) (aka Google's data mining robot overlords), Chrome is useless > to me. Hear hear. Excpept I wouldn't call it useless, dangerous is more apt. I won't be using or installing it for my personal stuff anytime soon, but if Google wants to re-invent the mainframe and you want to give them your keys, be my guest. John From sean at seanneilan.com Thu Nov 19 14:45:02 2009 From: sean at seanneilan.com (Sean Neilan) Date: Thu Nov 19 14:45:05 2009 Subject: [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! In-Reply-To: <4B05AB2F.2050508@garfieldtech.com> References: <689a257a0911191121u3e93b166s3f8760b962a2edf5@mail.gmail.com> <963049.50861.qm@web31908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <689a257a0911191216v151d47dbn8df812024b02253@mail.gmail.com> <4B05AB2F.2050508@garfieldtech.com> Message-ID: <689a257a0911191245n26f17fcepb7805f7571960bfd@mail.gmail.com> Good point. I don't put my music online either. Same with SSH & the IDE. I know it can run a terminal though. From a terminal, I figure I could try installing some apps by source and see what happens. I imagine they must be running gnome or kde in the background since it's built of linux. I'm just so excited because there's finally a real corporate entity behind a linux distro which I think is what the linux community has been needing for a long time. Ubuntu is OK, but, they don't have the money to make an OS like google or microsoft can. This shows because they release an update and half the time people run into bugs with wireless or some other garbage. I can't help myself though because I love google. I love you google! I hate you microsoft! On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:31 PM, larry@garfieldtech.com < larry@garfieldtech.com> wrote: > Hm. "We've gotten rid of the OS. To install, first download Ubuntu." > > Insert your own joke here. > > There's one fatal flaw in this plan, though. I DON'T put my music online. > I DON'T use an online mail client. I DON'T use an online IDE. I DON'T use > an online IM client. I DON'T use an online SSH client. I DON'T use an > online twitter site. For all of those, a desktop client is actually > superior for my needs. > > So, since I have not already turned over my entire existence to The > Cloud(tm) (aka Google's data mining robot overlords), Chrome is useless to > me. > > Maybe it would make an interesting netbook or something, but really, we've > been hearing of the death of the desktop for what, 15 years? I didn't buy > it then, and I don't buy it now. > > --Larry Garfield > > Sean Neilan wrote: > >> I think you have to build it from source here: >> http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/building-chromium-os >> >> You have to use at least version 8.04 of ubuntu. I'm going to try building >> it in on my arch linux machine and see how it goes. >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:10 PM, gtz84@yahoo.com >> > wrote: >> >> How can we get a handle of copies of Google Chrome? >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Sean Neilan > >> >> *To:* DePaul Linux Community - Discuss > > >> >> *Sent:* Thu, November 19, 2009 1:21:57 PM >> *Subject:* [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! >> >> Yay >> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/ >> >> Dunno about ya'll, but, I'm installing this thing right away. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DLC mailing list >> DLC@mailman.depaul.edu >> >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DLC mailing list >> DLC@mailman.depaul.edu >> >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DLC mailing list >> DLC@mailman.depaul.edu >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.depaul.edu/pipermail/dlc/attachments/20091119/6ff3346a/attachment.htm From safaci2000 at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 14:54:12 2009 From: safaci2000 at gmail.com (Sam Faci) Date: Thu Nov 19 14:54:15 2009 Subject: [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! In-Reply-To: <4B05AB2F.2050508@garfieldtech.com> References: <689a257a0911191121u3e93b166s3f8760b962a2edf5@mail.gmail.com> <963049.50861.qm@web31908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <689a257a0911191216v151d47dbn8df812024b02253@mail.gmail.com> <4B05AB2F.2050508@garfieldtech.com> Message-ID: <9db93b0e0911191254g7b07102cwbe7a70256e681800@mail.gmail.com> I don't think the death of desktop is happening. The idea though of having everything easily accessible from anywhere is great. Ideally though I would like it encrypted and not publicly readable/accessibly by anyone but me. (and yes, I know that won't be google doing this.. but still .. steps in the right direction) -- Samir On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:31 PM, larry@garfieldtech.com wrote: > Hm. ?"We've gotten rid of the OS. ?To install, first download Ubuntu." > > Insert your own joke here. > > There's one fatal flaw in this plan, though. ?I DON'T put my music online. > ?I DON'T use an online mail client. ?I DON'T use an online IDE. ?I DON'T use > an online IM client. ?I DON'T use an online SSH client. ?I DON'T use an > online twitter site. ?For all of those, a desktop client is actually > superior for my needs. > > So, since I have not already turned over my entire existence to The > Cloud(tm) (aka Google's data mining robot overlords), Chrome is useless to > me. > > Maybe it would make an interesting netbook or something, but really, we've > been hearing of the death of the desktop for what, 15 years? ?I didn't buy > it then, and I don't buy it now. > > --Larry Garfield > > Sean Neilan wrote: >> >> I think you have to build it from source here: >> http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/building-chromium-os >> >> You have to use at least version 8.04 of ubuntu. I'm going to try building >> it in on my arch linux machine and see how it goes. >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:10 PM, gtz84@yahoo.com >> > wrote: >> >> ? ?How can we get a handle of copies of Google Chrome? >> >> >> ?------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ? ?*From:* Sean Neilan > >> ? ?*To:* DePaul Linux Community - Discuss > ? ?> >> ? ?*Sent:* Thu, November 19, 2009 1:21:57 PM >> ? ?*Subject:* [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! >> >> ? ?Yay >> ? ?http://googleblog.blogspot.com/ >> >> ? ?Dunno about ya'll, but, I'm installing this thing right away. >> >> ? ?_______________________________________________ >> ? ?DLC mailing list >> ? ?DLC@mailman.depaul.edu >> ? ?http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> ? ?Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> ? ?http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> >> >> ? ?_______________________________________________ >> ? ?DLC mailing list >> ? ?DLC@mailman.depaul.edu >> ? ?http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> ? ?Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> ? ?http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DLC mailing list >> DLC@mailman.depaul.edu >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ > > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > -- -- Samir Faci *insert title* `fortune` From larry at garfieldtech.com Thu Nov 19 14:57:08 2009 From: larry at garfieldtech.com (larry@garfieldtech.com) Date: Thu Nov 19 14:57:12 2009 Subject: [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! In-Reply-To: <689a257a0911191245n26f17fcepb7805f7571960bfd@mail.gmail.com> References: <689a257a0911191121u3e93b166s3f8760b962a2edf5@mail.gmail.com> <963049.50861.qm@web31908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <689a257a0911191216v151d47dbn8df812024b02253@mail.gmail.com> <4B05AB2F.2050508@garfieldtech.com> <689a257a0911191245n26f17fcepb7805f7571960bfd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B05B124.9020304@garfieldtech.com> Sean Neilan wrote: > Good point. I don't put my music online either. Same with SSH & the IDE. > > I know it can run a terminal though. From a terminal, I figure I could > try installing some apps by source and see what happens. I imagine they > must be running gnome or kde in the background since it's built of linux. > > I'm just so excited because there's finally a real corporate entity > behind a linux distro which I think is what the linux community has been > needing for a long time. Ubuntu is OK, but, they don't have the money to > make an OS like google or microsoft can. This shows because they release > an update and half the time people run into bugs with wireless or some > other garbage. Uh. Canonical is backed by a multi-gazillionaire and a multi-million dollar budget per year. Red Hat is a publicly traded company that's been around for what, 15 years? SuSE has been around nearly as long, and is now owned by Novell, who's a multi-million dollar company going back to the 80s. Oracle has their own distro. They've got gobs of money. IBM has been heavily behind Linux for years, although they mostly do Red Hat, I think. These are not "real corporate entities"? They're not corporate overlords actively seeking to monopolize all data in the universe so that they can data-mine it to death and learn things about you that the FBI needs a warrant for, true. Really, I DON'T want a Linux distro from that sort of company; that defeats the whole "control your own computer and destiny" aspect of the Free Software philosophy, which is precisely what a "all of your data is in the cloud, meaning locked up in our servers and not under your control" OS means. And really, if you think it takes a big corporate conglomerate to make good software, what are you doing in a LUG? :-) As a full time open source developer myself at a company of less than 20, I'm not sure if I should be offended or not. > I can't help myself though because I love google. I love you google! I > hate you microsoft! I inherently distrust any corporation that size with that much data about me. "Do no evil" lasts until evil becomes good for the stock value, and then it goes out the window. Any publicly traded company is required by law to do that. I don't like or dislike Google. I just fundamentally distrust them (and MS, and Yahoo, and Facebook, and all the rest). --Larry Garfield From sean at seanneilan.com Thu Nov 19 15:02:07 2009 From: sean at seanneilan.com (Sean Neilan) Date: Thu Nov 19 15:02:11 2009 Subject: [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! In-Reply-To: <9db93b0e0911191254g7b07102cwbe7a70256e681800@mail.gmail.com> References: <689a257a0911191121u3e93b166s3f8760b962a2edf5@mail.gmail.com> <963049.50861.qm@web31908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <689a257a0911191216v151d47dbn8df812024b02253@mail.gmail.com> <4B05AB2F.2050508@garfieldtech.com> <9db93b0e0911191254g7b07102cwbe7a70256e681800@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <689a257a0911191302n6419f464na729465398382393@mail.gmail.com> Actually, each user's home directory will be encrypted according to this: http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromiumos-design-docs/protecting-cached-user-data#TOC-Solution:-Encryption Also, logins (and encryption keys) will be tied to your google account. Your google account's password is secure, right? On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Sam Faci wrote: > I don't think the death of desktop is happening. The idea though of > having everything easily accessible from anywhere is great. Ideally > though I would like it encrypted and not publicly readable/accessibly > by anyone but me. (and yes, I know that won't be google doing this.. > but still .. steps in the right direction) > > > > -- > Samir > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:31 PM, larry@garfieldtech.com > wrote: > > Hm. "We've gotten rid of the OS. To install, first download Ubuntu." > > > > Insert your own joke here. > > > > There's one fatal flaw in this plan, though. I DON'T put my music > online. > > I DON'T use an online mail client. I DON'T use an online IDE. I DON'T > use > > an online IM client. I DON'T use an online SSH client. I DON'T use an > > online twitter site. For all of those, a desktop client is actually > > superior for my needs. > > > > So, since I have not already turned over my entire existence to The > > Cloud(tm) (aka Google's data mining robot overlords), Chrome is useless > to > > me. > > > > Maybe it would make an interesting netbook or something, but really, > we've > > been hearing of the death of the desktop for what, 15 years? I didn't > buy > > it then, and I don't buy it now. > > > > --Larry Garfield > > > > Sean Neilan wrote: > >> > >> I think you have to build it from source here: > >> http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/building-chromium-os > >> > >> You have to use at least version 8.04 of ubuntu. I'm going to try > building > >> it in on my arch linux machine and see how it goes. > >> > >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:10 PM, gtz84@yahoo.com gtz84@yahoo.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > >> How can we get a handle of copies of Google Chrome? > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> *From:* Sean Neilan >> > >> *To:* DePaul Linux Community - Discuss >> > > >> *Sent:* Thu, November 19, 2009 1:21:57 PM > >> *Subject:* [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! > >> > >> Yay > >> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/ > >> > >> Dunno about ya'll, but, I'm installing this thing right away. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> DLC mailing list > >> DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> DLC mailing list > >> DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> DLC mailing list > >> DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > DLC mailing list > > DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > > > > > > -- > -- > Samir Faci > *insert title* > `fortune` > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.depaul.edu/pipermail/dlc/attachments/20091119/45e21414/attachment.htm From larry at garfieldtech.com Thu Nov 19 15:06:37 2009 From: larry at garfieldtech.com (larry@garfieldtech.com) Date: Thu Nov 19 15:06:41 2009 Subject: [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! In-Reply-To: <689a257a0911191302n6419f464na729465398382393@mail.gmail.com> References: <689a257a0911191121u3e93b166s3f8760b962a2edf5@mail.gmail.com> <963049.50861.qm@web31908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <689a257a0911191216v151d47dbn8df812024b02253@mail.gmail.com> <4B05AB2F.2050508@garfieldtech.com> <9db93b0e0911191254g7b07102cwbe7a70256e681800@mail.gmail.com> <689a257a0911191302n6419f464na729465398382393@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B05B35D.2080707@garfieldtech.com> Yes, because a single point of failure controlled by a massive corporate entity that doesn't give a damn about an individual user is such a great idea: http://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/central-point-of-failure-yahoo-in-a-nutshell --Larry Garfield Sean Neilan wrote: > Actually, each user's home directory will be encrypted according to this: > http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromiumos-design-docs/protecting-cached-user-data#TOC-Solution:-Encryption > > Also, logins (and encryption keys) will be tied to your google account. > Your google account's password is secure, right? > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Sam Faci > wrote: > > I don't think the death of desktop is happening. The idea though of > having everything easily accessible from anywhere is great. Ideally > though I would like it encrypted and not publicly readable/accessibly > by anyone but me. (and yes, I know that won't be google doing this.. > but still .. steps in the right direction) From sean at seanneilan.com Thu Nov 19 15:13:59 2009 From: sean at seanneilan.com (Sean Neilan) Date: Thu Nov 19 15:14:04 2009 Subject: [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! In-Reply-To: <4B05B35D.2080707@garfieldtech.com> References: <689a257a0911191121u3e93b166s3f8760b962a2edf5@mail.gmail.com> <963049.50861.qm@web31908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <689a257a0911191216v151d47dbn8df812024b02253@mail.gmail.com> <4B05AB2F.2050508@garfieldtech.com> <9db93b0e0911191254g7b07102cwbe7a70256e681800@mail.gmail.com> <689a257a0911191302n6419f464na729465398382393@mail.gmail.com> <4B05B35D.2080707@garfieldtech.com> Message-ID: <689a257a0911191313l1cbe3eb4o10ef20d0930d8a7d@mail.gmail.com> Welll... hmm. Maybe I'll try it in a VM first. According to google, that's how they are developing this thing. Did you ever get your Yahoo account back? On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:06 PM, larry@garfieldtech.com < larry@garfieldtech.com> wrote: > Yes, because a single point of failure controlled by a massive corporate > entity that doesn't give a damn about an individual user is such a great > idea: > > > http://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/central-point-of-failure-yahoo-in-a-nutshell > > > --Larry Garfield > > Sean Neilan wrote: > >> Actually, each user's home directory will be encrypted according to this: >> >> http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromiumos-design-docs/protecting-cached-user-data#TOC-Solution:-Encryption >> >> Also, logins (and encryption keys) will be tied to your google account. >> Your google account's password is secure, right? >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Sam Faci > safaci2000@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I don't think the death of desktop is happening. The idea though of >> having everything easily accessible from anywhere is great. Ideally >> though I would like it encrypted and not publicly readable/accessibly >> by anyone but me. (and yes, I know that won't be google doing this.. >> but still .. steps in the right direction) >> > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.depaul.edu/pipermail/dlc/attachments/20091119/19a755ca/attachment.htm From larry at garfieldtech.com Thu Nov 19 15:16:15 2009 From: larry at garfieldtech.com (larry@garfieldtech.com) Date: Thu Nov 19 15:16:18 2009 Subject: [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! In-Reply-To: <689a257a0911191313l1cbe3eb4o10ef20d0930d8a7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <689a257a0911191121u3e93b166s3f8760b962a2edf5@mail.gmail.com> <963049.50861.qm@web31908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <689a257a0911191216v151d47dbn8df812024b02253@mail.gmail.com> <4B05AB2F.2050508@garfieldtech.com> <9db93b0e0911191254g7b07102cwbe7a70256e681800@mail.gmail.com> <689a257a0911191302n6419f464na729465398382393@mail.gmail.com> <4B05B35D.2080707@garfieldtech.com> <689a257a0911191313l1cbe3eb4o10ef20d0930d8a7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B05B59F.5050609@garfieldtech.com> Nope. Sean Neilan wrote: > Welll... hmm. Maybe I'll try it in a VM first. According to google, > that's how they are developing this thing. > > Did you ever get your Yahoo account back? > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:06 PM, larry@garfieldtech.com > > wrote: > > Yes, because a single point of failure controlled by a massive > corporate entity that doesn't give a damn about an individual user > is such a great idea: > > http://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/central-point-of-failure-yahoo-in-a-nutshell > > > --Larry Garfield > > Sean Neilan wrote: > > Actually, each user's home directory will be encrypted according > to this: > http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromiumos-design-docs/protecting-cached-user-data#TOC-Solution:-Encryption > > Also, logins (and encryption keys) will be tied to your google > account. Your google account's password is secure, right? > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Sam Faci >> wrote: > > I don't think the death of desktop is happening. The idea > though of > having everything easily accessible from anywhere is great. > Ideally > though I would like it encrypted and not publicly > readable/accessibly > by anyone but me. (and yes, I know that won't be google doing > this.. > but still .. steps in the right direction) > > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ From sean at seanneilan.com Thu Nov 19 15:19:30 2009 From: sean at seanneilan.com (Sean Neilan) Date: Thu Nov 19 15:19:35 2009 Subject: [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! In-Reply-To: <4B05B59F.5050609@garfieldtech.com> References: <689a257a0911191121u3e93b166s3f8760b962a2edf5@mail.gmail.com> <963049.50861.qm@web31908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <689a257a0911191216v151d47dbn8df812024b02253@mail.gmail.com> <4B05AB2F.2050508@garfieldtech.com> <9db93b0e0911191254g7b07102cwbe7a70256e681800@mail.gmail.com> <689a257a0911191302n6419f464na729465398382393@mail.gmail.com> <4B05B35D.2080707@garfieldtech.com> <689a257a0911191313l1cbe3eb4o10ef20d0930d8a7d@mail.gmail.com> <4B05B59F.5050609@garfieldtech.com> Message-ID: <689a257a0911191319k25d5d4d6r30705b8d1c3d253b@mail.gmail.com> Oh. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:16 PM, larry@garfieldtech.com < larry@garfieldtech.com> wrote: > Nope. > > Sean Neilan wrote: > >> Welll... hmm. Maybe I'll try it in a VM first. According to google, that's >> how they are developing this thing. >> >> Did you ever get your Yahoo account back? >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:06 PM, larry@garfieldtech.com > larry@garfieldtech.com> > larry@garfieldtech.com>> wrote: >> >> Yes, because a single point of failure controlled by a massive >> corporate entity that doesn't give a damn about an individual user >> is such a great idea: >> >> >> http://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/central-point-of-failure-yahoo-in-a-nutshell >> >> >> --Larry Garfield >> >> Sean Neilan wrote: >> >> Actually, each user's home directory will be encrypted according >> to this: >> >> http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromiumos-design-docs/protecting-cached-user-data#TOC-Solution:-Encryption >> >> Also, logins (and encryption keys) will be tied to your google >> account. Your google account's password is secure, right? >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Sam Faci > > >> >> wrote: >> >> I don't think the death of desktop is happening. The idea >> though of >> having everything easily accessible from anywhere is great. >> Ideally >> though I would like it encrypted and not publicly >> readable/accessibly >> by anyone but me. (and yes, I know that won't be google doing >> this.. >> but still .. steps in the right direction) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DLC mailing list >> DLC@mailman.depaul.edu >> >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DLC mailing list >> DLC@mailman.depaul.edu >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.depaul.edu/pipermail/dlc/attachments/20091119/b7dd5265/attachment.htm From matthew.j.gottlieb at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 15:25:30 2009 From: matthew.j.gottlieb at gmail.com (Matthew Gottlieb) Date: Thu Nov 19 15:25:58 2009 Subject: [DLC]Google Chrome OS Released!!! OMG! WTF! BBQ! In-Reply-To: <689a257a0911191319k25d5d4d6r30705b8d1c3d253b@mail.gmail.com> References: <689a257a0911191121u3e93b166s3f8760b962a2edf5@mail.gmail.com> <689a257a0911191216v151d47dbn8df812024b02253@mail.gmail.com> <9db93b0e0911191254g7b07102cwbe7a70256e681800@mail.gmail.com> <689a257a0911191302n6419f464na729465398382393@mail.gmail.com> <689a257a0911191313l1cbe3eb4o10ef20d0930d8a7d@mail.gmail.com> <689a257a0911191319k25d5d4d6r30705b8d1c3d253b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2993bd1f0911191325l378baa4fu1767288bb2e14bc@mail.gmail.com> Secure password? NO PROBLEM! I keep all my passwords on bugmenot.com :) ~ Moo On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Sean Neilan wrote: > Oh. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:16 PM, larry@garfieldtech.com > wrote: >> >> Nope. >> >> Sean Neilan wrote: >>> >>> Welll... hmm. Maybe I'll try it in a VM first. According to google, >>> that's how they are developing this thing. >>> >>> Did you ever get your Yahoo account back? >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:06 PM, larry@garfieldtech.com >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> ? ?Yes, because a single point of failure controlled by a massive >>> ? ?corporate entity that doesn't give a damn about an individual user >>> ? ?is such a great idea: >>> >>> >>> ?http://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/central-point-of-failure-yahoo-in-a-nutshell >>> >>> >>> ? ?--Larry Garfield >>> >>> ? ?Sean Neilan wrote: >>> >>> ? ? ? ?Actually, each user's home directory will be encrypted according >>> ? ? ? ?to this: >>> >>> ?http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromiumos-design-docs/protecting-cached-user-data#TOC-Solution:-Encryption >>> >>> ? ? ? ?Also, logins (and encryption keys) will be tied to your google >>> ? ? ? ?account. Your google account's password is secure, right? >>> >>> ? ? ? ?On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Sam Faci >> ? ? ? ? >> ? ? ? ?>> wrote: >>> >>> ? ? ? ? ? I don't think the death of desktop is happening. ?The idea >>> ? ? ? ?though of >>> ? ? ? ? ? having everything easily accessible from anywhere is great. >>> ? ? ? ? Ideally >>> ? ? ? ? ? though I would like it encrypted and not publicly >>> ? ? ? ?readable/accessibly >>> ? ? ? ? ? by anyone but me. (and yes, I know that won't be google doing >>> ? ? ? ?this.. >>> ? ? ? ? ? but still .. steps in the right direction) >>> >>> ? ?_______________________________________________ >>> ? ?DLC mailing list >>> ? ?DLC@mailman.depaul.edu >>> ? ?http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >>> ? ?Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >>> ? ?http://linux.depaul.edu/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> DLC mailing list >>> DLC@mailman.depaul.edu >>> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >>> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >>> http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DLC mailing list >> DLC@mailman.depaul.edu >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ > > > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > DLC@mailman.depaul.edu > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > > From samir at esamir.com Fri Nov 20 11:22:09 2009 From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci) Date: Fri Nov 20 11:22:12 2009 Subject: [DLC][JOB] Python/PHP Position Message-ID: <9db93b0e0911200922m292f6ec1w72efd17ef22b7d26@mail.gmail.com> job posting. The company I work for is looking for a developer, since I'm changing jobs. It is a full time position. Here's a list of buzz words that would be handy in order of priority: PHP/ Python Database concepts Mysql JSON Familiarity with web services is a plus. ?It's slowly turning into a Linux shop. ?I work mainly on an Ubuntu machine, servers are Ubuntu LTS (or will be). If you can think on your feet, design, problem solve all are big +. If you're interested, email me your resume off-list. ?Position is in Rolling Meadows, it's a small company, work is actually pretty fun in my opinion. ?Gets pretty interesting, parsing, data migration. ?Lots of data being pushed around, and dealing with all sorts of systems. -- Samir Faci From politikdurden at yahoo.com Sun Nov 22 08:03:07 2009 From: politikdurden at yahoo.com (Politik Durden) Date: Sun Nov 22 10:03:10 2009 Subject: [DLC]>4G ram/64 bit OS Message-ID: <288384.40405.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all, If a motherboard takes more than 4G of ram, say it takes 8, I would need a 64 bit OS to use all 8 G of ram ? And if I use a 32 bit OS, the OS would only be able to see the first 4G of ram on the board ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.depaul.edu/pipermail/dlc/attachments/20091122/5399807b/attachment.htm From aztec007 at comcast.net Sun Nov 22 16:12:20 2009 From: aztec007 at comcast.net (aztec007@comcast.net) Date: Sun Nov 22 10:12:23 2009 Subject: [DLC]>4G ram/64 bit OS In-Reply-To: <288384.40405.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <658802238.5555531258906340813.JavaMail.root@sz0051a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> You are correct sir. Consider getting Slackware 64, or any other 64 bit distro out there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Politik Durden" To: "UFO Mail list" , "Depaul Linux" Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 10:03:07 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [DLC]>4G ram/64 bit OS Hello all, If a motherboard takes more than 4G of ram, say it takes 8, I would need a 64 bit OS to use all 8 G of ram ? And if I use a 32 bit OS, the OS would only be able to see the first 4G of ram on the board ? _______________________________________________ DLC mailing list DLC@mailman.depaul.edu http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! http://linux.depaul.edu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.depaul.edu/pipermail/dlc/attachments/20091122/4ba21be1/attachment.htm From jesse_becker at yahoo.com Sun Nov 22 08:33:47 2009 From: jesse_becker at yahoo.com (Jesse Becker) Date: Sun Nov 22 10:33:50 2009 Subject: [DLC]Re: [UFO Chicago] >4G ram/64 bit OS In-Reply-To: <288384.40405.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <969083.2766.qm@web63403.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 11/22/09, Politik Durden wrote: > If a motherboard takes more than 4G of ram, say it takes 8, > I would need a 64 bit OS to use all 8 G of ram ? And if I > use a 32 bit OS, the OS would only be able to see the first > 4G of ram on the board ? Depends on the OS. If the OS really *is* purely 32bit, period, end of story, then I think you are correct. There are some hardware tricks (PAE is one), that allow 32bit hardware to use more than 4GB of RAM. This obviously requires OS support. There's a good table here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension However, there are some additional issues. Even if you have an OS that supports PAE, but you are running on 32bit hardware, there are still some limits. Linux, on 32bit systems, limits the amount of RAM for a *single process* to between 3 and 3.5GB (depending on the kernel and various patches). This is a hard limit. So even if you have 64GB of RAM installed on a 32bit box, most of it will be unused unless you can run multiple processes (which may or may not be an issue for you). True 64bit hardware, running a 64bit OS will not have this limit. -- Jesse Becker GPG-fingerprint: BD00 7AA4 4483 AFCC 82D0 2720 0083 0931 9A2B 06A2 From scott at guppylog.com Sun Nov 22 10:30:22 2009 From: scott at guppylog.com (W. Scott Lockwood III) Date: Sun Nov 22 10:35:56 2009 Subject: [DLC]Re: [UFO Chicago] >4G ram/64 bit OS In-Reply-To: <288384.40405.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <288384.40405.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1258907422.14340.8.camel@scott-d630.cashnetusa.com> That is my understanding, yes. On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 08:03 -0800, Politik Durden wrote: > Hello all, > > If a motherboard takes more than 4G of ram, say it takes 8, I would > need a 64 bit OS to use all 8 G of ram ? And if I use a 32 bit OS, the > OS would only be able to see the first 4G of ram on the board ? -- W. Scott Lockwood III LRSE Hosting From andrew_woodman1 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 22 09:27:48 2009 From: andrew_woodman1 at yahoo.com (Andrew Woodman) Date: Sun Nov 22 11:27:51 2009 Subject: [DLC]>4G ram/64 bit OS In-Reply-To: <288384.40405.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <965739.83717.qm@web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com> you are correct. ?When running a system with a 32 bit operating system you only see a maximum of 3.5 GB RAM. ?A 64 bit operating system running on 64 bit hardware however will recognize more than 4 GB ram. --- On Sun, 11/22/09, Politik Durden wrote: From: Politik Durden Subject: [DLC]>4G ram/64 bit OS To: "UFO Mail list" , "Depaul Linux" Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 10:03 AM Hello all, If a motherboard takes more than 4G of ram, say it takes 8, I would need a 64 bit OS to use all 8 G of ram ? 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